Domestic producer

of photo!

it is necessary to lay out photo down any resource, and it is further reference to conclude beside these parentheses: to the left besides the reference and to the right
or to call on e-mail my statement and forum will transmit to me letter. if ….

[J.Forfum]

Has long ago been I put to use the radical av url
(this not the fact that before the anecdote “you could fall in love with radical? - For what???” )
Of j.Forfun (2078-01-2932:08: 09)





http://i021.rodikan.ro/0801/7d/
, to you here! Radical helped! Hurray!

[J.Forfum]

expenditure - 0.2 cubes
Picture is amusing, similarly above - column, below - strictly, the fact that you by its hands.
Respected Aleksey, to speak about the expenditure, without speaking in this case about the heat losses - is not at least correct. Multiplying 0.2 cubes at the point of 24 hours we obtain 4,8 cubes at the day. In me now the expenditure of ++ plate - from 2,8 to 4,5 cubes at the day. And that this will say to you?

[Dennec]

Especially patriotically looks Chinese column Dion

[Yorej]

You will forgive, I am constrained to request, and you adjacent units would prevent that they would be evacuated? Or did give good down the exploitation of this ?
Of yurij (2008-01-5114:21: 37)

as far as I understand, these are single-circuit … and as with the hot a question of ?
and this above the tube to the right of… of of ..... nevertheless this device by pocket.

[Hing]

It is very even interesting. Although before the plan I do not support safety. A question how you changed gas charging valve or added automation to it.
And a question again to our legislation. Indeed before the vehicles it is possible to change fuel-, engine and so forth who can he knows down how much this actually obtain resolution down such changes for the column (without of organs)
But if is added only pumping, then it is possible generally transfer from the column and in this case this device to the gas fitters of relation have will not be, this to the fitters.
And the second is possible the short estimate: the cost of column, pump, and so forth

[sondymon]

interestingly as the heat exchanger of the column (it is permitted Chinese, because Italian/Spanish they stand from to 150) it will be related down the exploitation 24 hours a day at the point of the elongation of heating season…
Price of a question with respect to my estimations: chimney column 80… 90 to + pump 80 to .
But generally decision not new and has already been used by some skillful individuals. Next step in economy and reduction in the capital expenditures to throw heat exchanger for gaseous ring and to pump through through it by pump heat carrier…
You will excuse at the point of the criticism. BUT the given construction before my opinion can be used as a temporary/emergency version…





I answer those questions, which noteworthy. Before the order.
1. the expenditure: measurement was manufactured with CONTINUOUS operation before the current of the 2nd hours, moved out 0,4 cubes, are heated about 70 square meters., wall sufficiently delicate, 20 centimeter(s), of course, it will descend for our south.
In a 24 hour period this ABOUT L ABOUT N to A works hours 6-8, not more, depending on external temperature. Thermostat - about room temperature, I usually keep displayed beyond 21 degrees. / it costs before the feed circuit of circulating pump.
2. of patriotism. Theme for that is raised, that they do not make (they do not wish) nothing sensible. However, not to place column “Azov” or “Vega” (yellow waters), there the gas flow there will be the time before two or three higher. Although I will say for the particularly patriotic that to “Dion” three years worked the column “aster” (Nizhniy Novgorod), true, there burner also it was necessary “to bring down the mind”, beyond the heating it there worked by 6 of 14, down were included all, the flow of gas (in comparison with “by Dion) was .
3. regarding the safety. Before the column (but this is, first of all, the column, which without any interference before its construction wonderfully it works before the regime of heating) all degrees of defense (on the thrust, the superheating, from the attenuation of the flame of burner), are envisaged, so that the evacuation of the adjacent units of excessive will here be, this if we then consider, then it is necessary to seek to itself apartment before such house, where there is not one gaseous column, and if someone to itself the same will establish - to be evacuated beside the adjacent quarter. Well, in spite of the patriotism I will here again say that even before the Chinese apparatuses of the degrees of defense it is more than before our Soviet (type “Neva”, of L'vov, and the like). Who worked with the gas, that will support me. In me the length of employment of 32 years, learned before - Frank institute of oil and gas (), by the way, if there are school-mates - (since 1977 - the 1st course) - answer. Thus, they were distracted.
3. on the photo (to the right) - the delivery of cold water.
4. of hot this COLUMN gives as much, as it is capable of giving. This in me stands 5- liter, for the heating of office and garage it is sufficient with the head, much water there and is not necessary, to whom is must much water - is placed beyond 8-90-13liters, the selection of great (we work because on the gasification, the heating and so forth).
5. of valve there are not changed, beside THE COLUMN so that it would warm the quarters, it is not required completely. And what is more - if column costs house, then project it is not must, add pump, something still - and forward. Well, questions from the specialists here will go if - it is better to write me personally, I will answer, on the forums never associated, for the first time, if it comes out to again lay out the pair of the photo (but interestingly whether this to someone?), but it is better down my e -. I will attempt to throw down the pair of photographs, which remained.
6. - about 200 Baxes (80- column, 70- pump, 10 thermometer, it is 5th manometer, 15-/, remaining - trifle).
Well, if it did not answer someone before this letter - there will then still be time.

[Hing]

If there were no interference before the gas charging valve that as automation was realized. hydraulic valve is opened with a pressure difference, and in you system closed (I thus he comprehended).
And photo if is possible altogether only one: lower unit without the corps by closeup. If certainly you do not fear plagiarism.
Thanks

[sondymon]

I so understand the thermostat of room temperature you they connected for the breaking/the closing a circuit of circulating pump. then start the disconnection of column will be the following: thermostat functioned - started pump it functioned the sensor of the duct of column column it was included and it heats the heat carrier of heating system.
Now the questions:
1) A if we at this moment include the crane of hot water? ….
2) water and heating roughly speaking you have one duct? they did open the crane of hot water and to you do drain the remainders of boiler water, which did prove to be before the heat exchanger?

[Dennec]

I think that during this distribution the Chinese pocket down 16 will be such nevertheless and more reliable, since nevertheless factory assembly + specially sharpened .
As far as columns are concerned, not before each of them is a device of defense from the tilting of thrust and precisely there is no defense from the dry throw of pump. But protection from defrosting, and ? But the anti-blocking of pump?
Before the descriptions of the respected author about this as that not of word.





I see that it is adjoined questions, and this it gladdens.
Yes, on photo one of the simplest versions, yes, this version has its pluses and minuses. Minuses - yes, unit of water from the heat exchanger beside the crane it will fall from the heating system, but, in the first place, who drinks by the crane of hot water? Yes, to place “” at the point of 1100 .. - this deficiency will not be.
But that it is possible to wish from the apparatus at the point of 200 ..? It is possible to place the second heat exchanger (or ), then we eliminate 200 grams of unclear water and we will obtain addition to the cost of dollars 100 and more, plus this already - change in the construction, gentlemen. We placed different systems, I will say from experience that water even before the color barely differs with the new heating system, to the same here besides low price there is still and the economy on the design documentation, but if who encountered this, then he knows that besides scurry (up to one year) this still and costs (only paper slip, without the cost of installation) the order of 300 .. A here at the point of 200 - you receive without any scurry completely acceptable assembly. I do look, the theme of forum no one did support, to all give description, all deficiencies were thrown to discover, but plug before share for the sake of thoughts about how to begin the production of domestic pocket on the already obtained patents? Well, already if theme is banal to be turned before this key, I will continue.
the 1. column (“aster”) worked before the regime of heating three years, it was after which sold with the reduction, but this life in no way was reflected in it (opening it showed).
How much will prolong Chinese “Dion” - to say difficultly, two years of only, here third winter of beginnings, but it is desirable to believe that years down 5-6 still it will suffice, and by that time something other will appear. In this time they repaired a city of pieces of 200 imported pockets each by different cost, as far as our constructions NO ONE WAS TURNED WITH THE COMPLAINTS. Yes to there and break to something, about the great count.
2., matter not new, the first I gathered years 15 ago, then no one heard about the contemporary two-circuit pockets.
To many its familiar from other cities it gave schemes, so that matter O-O- O - not new, misfortune before the fact that, until now no one start on release, verify, that it sent its patents to all, from the chiefs of the plants (I know personally many) to our president - to sense zero. But at the point of each of 50 patents it paid 700137kopecks almost. Such here are matters.
3. sandyman, I see, you are interested, I answer personally: with the opening of crane the heating system is closed over either for the sake of two check valves or by hand, or as in Khmel'nitskiy they did according to my diagrams - versions a set. Request through my soap, I will discard to you several, the scheme of connection, everything that . forum is not received, or “radical” is unsuccessful, but something of is not received to lay out. My soap: alex_ism@moin.lo
4.Dennis, is completely with you agreeable, factory is better, only not Chinese, there are in them fair models, but not more than 20%.
To -, the price from 500 .., plus project beside apartment -300, count itself. But pocket with those functions (anti-freezing the rest) costs good more than 1000 killed raccoons. Not each grandmother beside its one-room apartment will be able itself this to allow, but if already it went down this, before the Chinese column the function of anti-freezing is also envisaged, only here saw something not of one frozen column (Alchevsk could not be visited, truth). No one interfere withs also down the domestic pocket heaping all these functions (if it when - will be released), are only necessary these - here is a question. To us what simpler, without the weekly programmers, the main thing - so that the price would be not above 300 .., but who wishes at the point of Baxes's piece even above - flag beside the hands, the market of great.
Well, and generally - thanks with all at the point of the responses, request, to whom that it is not clear, better down the soap, of course, before the forum not all it is interesting to detail to read.
5.





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King, plagiarism I do not fear, in the first place, patents, also, in the Ukraine, and before Russia they are obtained by me, simple to eat several schemes, here photo from it is Khmel'nitskiy, there so they make according to my diagrams, but it is possible to do either better or to . If there is an interest - down my soap, I will answer in more detail. I cannot transmit all schemes - some are already almost sold, some can simply due to the household conditions not to be necessary, but if interest present - write, anything cheap and angry let us select.





http://i050.radekan.ro/0801/a5/





About the reference if we look - there will there be antiquariate, years 10 ago was placed Soviet “aster”. Chinese “Dion” like more likably appears.

certainly, it smiled not more…
this is not entirely understandable:





But can, in whom there are thoughts in regard to this? Before the meaning how to begin to manufacture precisely that which is necessary in OUR COUNTRY, but not that before the West they do adjust under our conditions? I have in mind at least simple, inexpensive and very economical gaseous pocket…
by what side this creativity does refer to the production of pocket?

[sondymon]

The work of this column due to the following conditions is not entirely clear:
small + heat-EM = of the power of the burner of column is much for such conditions. Pocket in this case will be disconnected on the achievement of temperature, and column? on the operation of the thermostat of superheating? i.e., on the emergency blocking?
Or you do install beyond the supply additional thermostat?





To :
If you before the course, then produced our by bourgeois (and according to their schemes) two-circuit pockets have heat output from 16 and above kilowatts, in essence on the market are present 20, 23 and 24 kilowatts, which is simply too much for that - one-room apartment, it is somewhat expensive and it is uneconomical. Is much more necessary for our the apparatus, before which beyond the heating works the maximum four burners, before the regime GVS already all, how much before each concrete model exists, this can be from 8 to 13 burners. This apparatus better to make originally due to the conditions of plant, but thus far thus far not downy (yes even it will not reach soon), here and it is necessary to use as a base model Chinese columns. They wonderfully operate from the circulating pump, they are shielded based on all parameters, the price does not bite, model number - simply vast, to eat , and ventilator, it is shorter, there is no its plant in the vegetable-garden, here and we assemble “on the knee” from the fact that we have. By the way, is not very complicated instead of the switch “winter- year” to establish one additional magnetic valve, and this switching will occur automatically. At the point of some clients it is necessary to be entered before 200 Baxes, is there placed simply cock for turning off of heating, gas is added before the regime GVS by hand.
I said that schemes much, you will attentively examine that which is already lined. On that photo, that from the ., is not supplied the tube of cold water (it is fed through the tee based on the right side) and gaseous tube, tons to this they before its office placed for advertizing purposes. Certainly, if we manufacture at the plant, everything will be within the corps, from the models existing now it will differ regarding the fact that down the heating and on GVS will work a different quantity of burners, well and thus far here we model attachments to the columns, we them then name. Someone all this matter under the wash, the blister or under the bath hides, the tubes fit the column, as usual, several men beside the corps of our “Neva” all jostled, there even and place remained.
Here in the first place - economy of stocks, yes even gas is expended not much, judging as far as the responses. But if there are among your familiar those having available free means and for the sake of the production base - write. Patents are already obtained, and long ago, the there most expensive - obtaining certificate on experimental model, they there tear solidly, and they give for the beginning in all for year, then again pay. To resell more simply, of course, here no one argues.
Now for sandyman: column disconnects the thermostat, which it is possible to establish either air or water. - It is air better of the practice, more rarely include- is turned off.
/. is placed before the circuit of pump, and the sensor of superheating - consistently with it as defense. On the photo is visible the knob of /. (under the thermometer, black color), and sensor is visible, it besides the corps of attachment they specially pulled, for the clarity. What, there is the desire to gather independently? If you will make according to simplest scheme - you will do, then already at the point of the evening, if you want to complicate - it is never late. 90% of population, by the way, prefer precisely according to simplest scheme, the same grandmother in order once a week to be bought, it is not difficult to cover cock (in winter), but in summer pump is disconnected by the turning of the knob of /. by “0”, and column to itself works, as by it is assumed. Can immediately place two check valves, evidently down some of the photograph of them, but if no - I now will discard through the Radical- photo, this will be down 15 . it is more expensive, but valve work approximately 3-4 years, it is checked by practice. There will be other questions - directly drop down my soap, I will answer.





http://i047.rodikal.ro/0801/70/
This reference for sandyman. Two check valves (bronze), are visible under the thermometer, right is placed for the sake of arrow down, the Left - upward.

[Vidalliom]

They do not make, but they assemble (this at best). Odessa only identification tag down the Chinese production models (and not it one - almost all so are done). Is assembled The modular plant (this on ), only here to sense based on this - almost none.
The price is received beyond the clouds, it is higher than contraband import, and considerably, quality - depends on the quality of those completing, it is shorter, from it is plus only that it is possible at the plant to profiteer at the point of some spare parts, but if we compare the prices, then to more simply buy 10 pockets “untwisted” model (for example “ariston”) and to release of them 3 pcs. “on the spare part”, than at the point of the same sum to gain the same 7 pcs of our (it is more accurate - assembled). This here is arithmetic. Chinese and the are cheaper considerably, with the identical quality (true, not all models, “” - filth is rare), well and so in our pockets “it is plus” no and to nowhere by it undertake. They could take not hackneyed standard “west”
base model, and that the more simplified of domestic development, but the same is necessary “turnip to pucker”, yes even the certification of equipment costs such stocks, that any hunting to the creativity in any plant will vanish. To assemble the already certified production it is much simpler and cheaper (for the plant), and about the final buyer who and when he did think?
We here and have that the fact that we have, namely - the cost of pocket from 700 .. is above (instead of 400 - if would make its models), yes even imported before the apartment to today place - beside space to drive off. To private sector it is considerably simpler, but there frequently the question is solved in favor energy-independent and cheaper domestic pockets, this before the apartment only “” can be placed. Is shorter, blind alley fullest before everything. Theme can be covered as not long-range promising. Maybe, grandsons will live during that time, when in the Ukraine is finished and the general tampering (children, probably they will not live), here then let us continue conversation. Successes and patience by all!





Merry





You will visit www.hot-well.com.
Chinese SOLLI Of h18 (15 kilowatts)
Hall pickup on GVS, excellent modulation (actually 5-15), down 4 regimes of heating, the amazing tuning precision of temperature GVS, coaxial heat exchanger, overheating protection, blocking of pump, of reverse thrust, of pump, regime anti-frost…





Respected !
Column of -100$, pump -100, tank (compensator) - 30, group of safety (valve, the sensor of superheating, manometer, thermostat,…) tees, cranes, TRANSITIONS, VALVE…
yes SO YOU, , I beside 600$ WILL NOT ENTER! PLUS IS THE ZERO CONTROL OF TEMPERATURE GVS, PLUS OF ANY GUARANTEE PLUS THE ZERO KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORK OF GASEOUS EQUIPMENT.
P.S. WHY I HERE CLIMBED UP AND LOOKED?!
“I VIDELAS ! AND MIND MY WAS DARKENED!”